Posts by Deputy Dog

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Intelligent Design

by Delta20 in

hey all,.

i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

Deputy Dog

But the problem is that a vastly intelligent creator is even more complex than the universe! Since your premise says complex things require a creator, then there must have been someone even more complex who created the creator.
In order to avoid this, you must say that the creator is a special case, that s/he just gets to exist. But if you're willing to break your basic premise on behalf of the supposed creator, why can't you accept that the universe just exists?

Not if your Creator exists outside of time and space or outside of his creation. The universe didn't always exist but the Creator does. He is the uncaused first cause. So my premise is that, the universe (or creation) is complex and shows evidence of an intelligent Creator. I don't think anyone today believes that it has always existed.

D Dog

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Sin in the New System...?

by stevenyc in

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does anyone know what would happen to a person in the new system if they committed a sin?.

steve.

Deputy Dog

Steve

You were right the first time. Its not a Christian thing, as a Christian I have a new nature, received from God's Spirit at the moment of conversion, upon the death of this mortal body, the old sin nature will die. The JWs have a big problem, because they believe it will take many hundreds of years to become perfect, they credit the educational system of the org. for changing man's nature over time, by the taming or changing the evil nature of man.

My question to them is what can the org. do, that God could not do in the garden?

D Dog

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Does Jehovah accept human sacrafice or not?

by gumby in

here's good bedtime story for the little ones!.

remember jeptha and his beautiful daughter that was his only child?.

just to set the theme: the ammonites took over israels land while they were in bondage in egypt.

Deputy Dog

Danny

I have no problem admitting that God accepts human sacrifice, after all Jesus was human. But, as has been pointed out several times, first I'm not sure that, this is the case here, and second as LT pointed out, I don't know how you can say it was an acceptable sacrifice to God. JWs sacrifice their children all the time (by denying blood transfusions) What makes you think God accepts those sacrifices?

Gumby

How did mom and the rest of the family feel who loved her. How did SHE feel?

That is a really good question! Here is a better one. How did God feel when Jesus was crucified (or sacrificed) for the sake of His elect? Read Isaiah 53 the whole Chapter and think about verse 10

Btw.....I'd prefer a dub answer in some cases over a hellfire god.

Isn't that the kind of "reasoning" that got C.T.Russell, yourself, and so many others in trouble in the first place?

As for the evolution of LT... He's been a big foot up my butt a few times.(luv ya LT)

D Dog

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Does Jehovah accept human sacrafice or not?

by gumby in

here's good bedtime story for the little ones!.

remember jeptha and his beautiful daughter that was his only child?.

just to set the theme: the ammonites took over israels land while they were in bondage in egypt.

Deputy Dog

Typical response from a JW who can't see that God is above the law in the old testament, but, is in subjection to the law in the new. Romans 12:1 is right on with Leolaia's comment from page 1

Gumby

For your sake, I pray that He keeps blessing you too.

D Dog

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Does Jehovah accept human sacrafice or not?

by gumby in

here's good bedtime story for the little ones!.

remember jeptha and his beautiful daughter that was his only child?.

just to set the theme: the ammonites took over israels land while they were in bondage in egypt.

Deputy Dog

I can't believe that nobody brought up

Rom 12:1

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

D Dog

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The Jewish Messiah?

by AlmostAtheist in

moshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.

of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!

you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.

Deputy Dog

Nark

Thanks for your thoughts. I guess, I'm mainly concerned with who's heel are we talking about.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

It doesn't seem to matter if it is mankind's heel or Jesus. In Romans 16:20 Paul seems to credit the "God of peace". Then, a few verses later, in verse 25 he talks about "...the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began"

Now couple that with Paul's understanding of who Messiah is, in Galatians 4:4.

But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

I believe its not such a stretch see the "God of peace" as "... his Son, made of a woman, made under (orin subjection to) the law,

Verse 3 of Galatians 4, seems to align it with your comment

IOW: Genesis 2--3 tells us how things came to be what they are, which is just a narrative answer to the more abstract question why are things what they are?

Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements [or, basic teachings] of the world:

D Dog

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The Jewish Messiah?

by AlmostAtheist in

moshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.

of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!

you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.

Deputy Dog

Nark

Whatever the case, there is no doubt in my mind that the NT uses a number of OT texts as "messianic prophecies". But whether those texts fit such a description in their original contexts is a quite different matter.

So what was the original context of Genesis 3:15

D Dog

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I don't think God is fair./what do u think?

by wednesday in

my therapist and i talked about the bible, specifically, adam and eve and their sinning by eating from the forbidden fruit.

he says it is really a great lesson on consequences of your actions.

i agreed and we talked at some length about it, but one thing i decided, god was not fair.

Deputy Dog

Jez

I believe that all things work together for the good of those who love God,those whom he has called according to his plan.

All things, no random molecules, everything. GOD is responsible!!!!!

None of us are getting out of this alive.

D Dog

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The Jewish Messiah?

by AlmostAtheist in

moshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.

of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!

you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.

Deputy Dog

AA

"jew on the street",

That doesn't help much, there are many different types. Most are probably agnostic today.

D Dog

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The Jewish Messiah?

by AlmostAtheist in

moshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.

of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!

you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.

Deputy Dog

Nark

How about Romans 16:20 and IMHO Galatians 4:4? It seems to me Paul had Genesis 3:15 in mind when he wrote those passages.

D Dog